It's made of classy...

[bluegargantua]

Hi,

Remember that informal study about sexism on the cover of Dragon Magazine? Yeah, you'll fondly wish for more of that after seeing this. [MILDLY NSFW]

"Girls just ain't into D&D..."
Tom

Comments

[bluepapercup]

It's like if Second Life made RPG supplements!

[mikecap.livejournal.com]

Not very impressed with the lack of objectivity on the part of the surveyor. The definitions of "submissive" and "suggestive" left a lot to be desired. It would have been easier to actually use percentages of skin showing and relative tightness of clothing as objective measures.

[z-gryphon.livejournal.com]

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."

- Justice Potter Stewart, Supreme Court of the United States; concurring opinion, Jacobellis v. Ohio, 1964

[bluegargantua]

"..relative tightness of clothing as objective measures".

How do you objectively measure the relative tightness of an illustration?

Anyway, the survey wasn't the point. The point was the other bit.

later
Tom

[mikecap.livejournal.com]

The surveyor could also have shown the group of images to a significant sample set of an audience and had them rate the suggestiveness and submissiveness of the images and taken that statistic... there were probably a dozen ways it could have been done better than just "me decided". I take umbrage with the supreme court decision, as well as with bodies like the MPAA who think they "know it when they see it". Cultures decide norms, not individuals, or even small groups of individuals.

[z-gryphon.livejournal.com]

"Culture" is just the tyranny of the mediocre majority, which is pretty much what bodies like the Supreme Court are designed to distill into a manageable sample size. :)

[mikecap.livejournal.com]

Do you see boobs/muscles/bulges? Yes, okay, that's tight. Are they really busting out, and are there cleavage openings showing them bust out? Okay, that's extra tight. Of course there's still a subjective component, but it's a lot easier to judge tightness of clothing as one of several factors than simply saying "suggestiveness". A robe is obviously less tight than a chainmail bikini or fitted booby armor...

[jeregenest.livejournal.com]

Oh voy. Yet another reason to ignore most of the gaming world. Like I needed another one.

[mrf-arch.livejournal.com]

Not since the Ral Partha / Dennis Mize "Slave Auction" miniatures has gaming reached such an apex.

[mpgalvin.livejournal.com]

lol original or special edition?

[bluegargantua]

Ooooh....tough call there.

Are the mini's more demeaning since you have little statues that you have to lovingly paint? Or are the standies more demeaning since you just print them out and then discard them like the cheap ephemera they are?

tough call
Tom

[mpgalvin.livejournal.com]

is disposable sexism more demeaning somehow?

*i'm* not designing that experiment.